Canada’s agriculture sector remains undecided about new federal ag bill

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The above article notes that farm groups are "pouring over" this proposed bill - however, "pouring over" and "poring over" have two completely-different meanings.

"Pouring over" normally means doing something with a liquid, such as pouring cold water on something, or in a more vernacular interpretation, urinating on something.

"Poring over" something normally means reading it carefully.

In this case, however, once people have "pored over" the proposed bill, then they may have reason to "pour over" it, but not until then.

On the other hand, anything coming from supply management supporters can always be immediately "poured over" because it's never worth "poring over".

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

editors start doing your job this is totally uncalled for and should not have been published. its time to reign in this economist.

The obligation of an economist is to be the bearer of unpalatable truth - a task made tremendously-easy and tremendously-enjoyable when the truth also happens to be, as it is in this case, tremendously-funny.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

The editors are doing their job. What you want is a "screening" of the comments so that SM is seen in nothing but a good light...right? They already have that in Countries like China where the news is always "screened" by the government. Control of the media is not a good thing...nor is hearing nothing but one sided views...time to put your "big boy pants on" and form your own views?

Your kidding me!! Supply Management is not even mentioned in the articule.Mr Thompson has the same one-side view in every topic. It would also help if he actually read the whole story instead of the first line!

The story dealt many times with the problems represented by so-called "red tape". For non-supply managed farmers, the biggest item of "red tape" they will ever face is the unequal incomes and purchasing power which supply management gives to dairy and poultry farmers.

If, therefore, we were to get rid of the "red tape" of trying to compete with supply managed farmers, we'd be a long way towards solving all of the other problems outlined in the article

The article is simply more window-dressing in an attempt to deal with symptoms of problems, not the actual problems themselves.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

You take a story and twist it around .
I call Bull Pucky to your twisted reasoning .
SM is not even mentioned .
Nice try again !

All I can add is Right On.

This bill is dubbed the "Agricultural Growth Bill" which is, all at the same time, oxymoronic and a half-truth, because for many farmers, especially non-supply managed farmers under the age of 40, by-far the biggest restriction to growth, or even entry into primary agriculture, is the distorted and bloated purchasing power accruing to supply managed farmers because of 200% tariff barriers available to them alone.

Therefore, the proposed legislation, and the lack of critical thought by farm organizations into the real restrictions on growth in agriculture in this country, mean that this bill, as is always the case in Canadian agricultural policy, studiously avoids the divisiveness of, and the growth restrictions imposed by, supply management.

Or, to look at it another way - how can anyone credibly talk about eliminating restrictions to growth in Canadian agriculture and not include supply management as one of the major restrictions?

For example, how can anyone talk about eliminating restrictions to growth in Canadian agriculture and ignore supply management's ability to drive growth-oriented companies like Chobani right out of the country, as well as drive increasing numbers of consumers of dairy and poultry products into the US?

The only people twisting anything in this story are the always-anonymous supply management advocates twisting and writhing in an increasingly-futile attempt to deny that supply management is the biggest restriction to agricultural growth in Canada, even in the dairy industry itself.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

Ahh yes grasshaopper but you must not let your jealousy and short sightedness cloud the truth . Supply Management is a stale and limited market . It will never expand beyond what it is in any real amount because of limited uses . Let them have it and drive them selves down . They too are short sighted like you .

Agriculture in this country is so much more and could be so much more than what it currently is . For example look at goat's milk and meat production and where it has come from and will be going . SM is just but a sliver slice of the whole . Opportunities exist and will continue to be more for other products made from corn , soy, wheat and other crops . With SM all you do is eat it and shit it out the other end .

Do not forget how pork farmers were in the same or better position not that many years ago . Now they are the ones calling the kettle black .

You and your cronnies are a perfect example of the "ME" and Me Only matters . Open your eyes and your mind and embrace all the opportunity where it exists , and leave the SM to die a cruel self inflicted death .

The problem is that while we are waiting for supply management to die a cruel, and self-inflicted, death, it causes collateral damage to everyone, and everything, around it - supply management is the reason why young people need to make $100,000 annually in off-farm income just so they can buy a 50-acre roof over their head. Supply management is also what causes even goat farmers to have to pay ridiculous prices for land simply so that they, too, can be second-class farmers when compared to the aristocrats with quota.

My eyes are wide-open and I am short-sighted about nothing - I hear all the time from young, non-supply managed farmers who detest supply management, and all that it represents, with a passion. People who think non-supply managed farmers are jealous of the aristocrats with quota, don't have a clue - jealousy is something you feel when your buddy takes a better-looking girl home from the party than you, resentment is what you feel when you are forced to be a second-class citizen, and a second-class farmer, for your entire farming career - which is exactly the prospect facing non-supply managed farmers under the age of 40.

And, sadly, you have the "me and only me" concept completely backwards - that attitude is the attitude held by supply managed farmers, and it's exactly why supply management is not well-liked, and exactly why, my anonymous and very-dismissive friend, it won't be missed.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

If Chobani had proposed building a plant in "milk' rich South Western Ontario it probably would have been more well recieved.With a Kingston plant and only half hour from the US border it became pretty tranparent what their intensions would be if they felt they wouldn't be allowed enough milk.

Just another example how some of our Agr-industries in this country feel the need to depend heavily on the US.They say they need access to foreign markets but what they really mean is they need access to ONE market..the US! A clear-cut case is the Quota allotment in Beef and Pork that we have had for years in the EU but never filled it because the US border was just a few miles away!COOL changed all that and now its Boo-hoo Supply Management is all to blame.

We have put our eggs in one basket for far too long and its unfortunate that a lot of farmers have been burned by it but blaming SM is for the weak-willed and people that can't seem to come to grips.

Sorry, but your logic is entirely backwards - supply management exists solely to prop up weak-willed dairy and poultry farmers who can't come to grips with the reality the rest of us face. It is, therefore, entirely appropriate to blame supply management for the constantly-increasing divisions in the farm community, it is entirely appropriate to blame supply management for chasing Chobani right out of the country, and it is entirely appropriate to blame supply management for creating barriers to entry for all types of farming, including supply management itself.

More to the point, only the weak-willed, and people who can't come to grips, are prepared to exonerate supply management for being the major problem facing Canadian agriculture.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

I when to the store the other day and bought some eggs , when I got home and looked at it and it was from a very large egg producer in Ontario and beyond and what a surprise it was a product from the USA. So why can,t other people produce eggs to sell here without quota? Comes down to the BIG Guy can do whatever while the small guy gets shit on.

About a year, or so, ago, a news item revealed that the Egg Farmers of BC was quietly buying US eggs, at US prices, importing them, and then selling them at Canadian prices to BC consumers who were, presumeably, none the wiser that they weren't buying Canadian produced eggs at all.

What's worse is that supply managed farmers in BC have seen such an erosion in market share to US dairy and poultry products sold in US border towns that they've taken out ads to try to persuade consumers to shop in BC instead.

It's, of course, a complete double-standard for BC's supply managed farmers to decry cross border shopping by consumers, but blithely do it themselves and think nothing of hosing their own customers in the process.

Supply management shouldn't be known by the SM label at all, but because of what supply management is all about, it should be labeled DS, which is, of course, Double Standard.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

Is that any different than the Buy Local push that gov has on many fruit and veg products ? They are not even under the SM roof . It too will fall flat on it's face .

What, people are going to stop eating fruit and veggies ??l am going to bet against that happening!

One of my customers, who works for a transport company, has been sent to Ohio over the years to pick up eggs and deliver them to a town less than an hour from me. The most interesting part of this was that when he picked them up in Ohio they were already packaged and labelled "product of Ontario". Raube Beuerman, Dublin, ON

It is not only here that we see these problems . Was going thru some papers on a shelf that needed some attention . While leafing through one from a farm rep group I noticed in the magazine that one of the staff is listed as an economist . I am sure he and Mr. Thompson do not share the same view on many things and SM and Green Energy being a couple .

So nice to see that two of the "same" can be on totally different ends of the spectrum .

Your in good company Stephen !! LOL ;-)

It's like this - somebody can be an economist or a supply management supporter, but it's simply not possible to be both. It is always tragic to see someone abandon his/her obligation to be the bearer of unpalatable truth, by taking the proverbial "30 pieces of silver" offered by those who exist solely to hide and/or twist the truth in an attempt to preserve the aristocratic entitlements of a few at the great expense of many.

Therefore, to any economist with a conscience, anything written in support of supply management must always be "poured over" because it is always nothing more than protectionist twaddle. More to the point, nothing needs to be "poured over" more than supply management. I simply used it to illustrate the substantial difference between "pouring over" and "poring over".

It is always a good thing to sink the battleship of those who can't face the truth, and I obviously did just that - it's been a good day!

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

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