Farmland tax rate disputed as farm assessments rise

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It really is incredible.
Farmers are the ones driving farm land values up and somehow they believe that they should be given a special exemption from the tax increases that have always been tied to the increase in land price.
If you can afford the absurd price of land then you can afford the higher taxes.
Unfortunately even the ones that aren't buying land get sucked into higher taxes by fellow farmers that are.
Once again then only one to blame for this is farmers themselves...suck it up already!

That is just the nature of farming ,run rent,land prices up,expand livestock and if things don't turn out well then ask for Gov't assistance .The larger you are or more you produce the more you get. I have received and appreciated Gov't support . As a group we are pretty lucky as from property taxes to crop ins. to RMP we receive support . Some will argue all mfg. and other sectors receive gov't benefits which is true and we need Gov't assistance too compete with other countries subsidies. We have too ask ourselves what Farming would look like today if we had not had these programs. Would there be more diversified farms or just a handful of large operations left? The real person that bears the brunt of everything is the working person who is not in a Civil or Union job position with no benefits or pensions that is trying to live and raise a family at a $15 hr. job-kg kimball

If a person owns some land ,but, not qualify to be a farmer due to lack of income- Does he pay the the full land tax and qualify for no part of the 75% refund?

Correct, but often people cheat and get their neighbor or farming friend to sign the farm tax classification paper saying their farming the land, which then still qualifies the land for farm use at the 75% reduced rate.

Sean McGivern

Often people cheat? Those kind of statements hurt all farmers. Making blanket statements like that is slanderous to every farmer in Ontario. IF it happens, and I do not know anyone that employs those tactics, I doubt very much it happens often as you publicly state.

I am in full support of farm land having a lower tax value then residential property for so many obvious reasons, but i think the exemption should be raised to reflect the current state of agriculture $7,500 is only equal to six beef calf's Should some one only raising and selling 6 beef calf's a year or 3 fresh milk cows, or 3 litters of market hogs be considered a farmer?.
I personally feel that the farm tax rebate should be based on a figure that is tied to some thing, for example your farm must at least have sales equal to or great then minimum wage so your farm would need an amount equal to minimum wage (40 hrs a week x $10.25 x 52 weeks =$21,320) then you'd qualify as a farmer and are entitled to all farm subsidies and programs. Instead we have all kinds of wealthy land owners who do little or no farming capturing all kinds of tax dollars to subsidize there wealthy lifestyle at their country estate. I also would support a 3 year time period for new farmers to get up to the increased amount.

Sean McGivern

Any farm land regardless of acreage or if it is owned for estate lot purposes, that IS zoned for Agriculture production and farmed by a beginning or existing expanding farmer should be taxed as farmland. End of discussion.

Needs an adjustment of base , most can still get it if they have some land they can rent to a Farmer - Sean is coming around

Sean McGivern is the president of Practical Farmers of Ontario. He is supposed to be the Advocate for Small Farmers. I suspect the majority of the PFO membership would never be able to meet his $21,320 farm tax rebate qualification.
You can't have it everyway ... talk small farm acreage but you supposedly farm 2000 acres, want to be labelled organic but not certified, raise grass fed beef but treat them with Ivomac...stay true yourself

Cathy McGregor-Smith

Mrs, McGregor- Smith, always seems to be so angry, and confrontational and really upset with any one who has different values, methods, or reasonings then she does.
I don't claim to be a small farmer, i do claim to be a diverse farmer raising livestock and growing 8 to 10 various crops a year such as, wheat, rye, corn, soybeans, spelt, oats, barley, hay and some spring or fall seeded variations of those crops.

As for Her lack of knowledge about the type of farmers who are members of the PFO, its clear that she knows next to nothing about them since the vast majority of the members are actually full time farmers who would easily have enough annual sales to equal that of the annual salary of a min wage worker.

As for her accusations that i want to be labeled organic although i own a business that markets organic grain for other farmers and that i am strong supporter of organic agriculture certified or not, i myself have not been farming organic for a few years now and any one who reads these blog posts already knows that, since I have stated that several times on here. When a Canadian supplier in Quebec brought in non organic beans and sold them as organic and the organic soybean price plummeted, I like many other organic farmers decided to switch back to conventional farming because we could not, grow organic crops and sell them for only a few dollars above the price of conventional soybeans and continue to be a viable business.

Secondly i sell 100% of my beef at the local auction mart as 500-700 lbs calf's and they are listed in the catalog, with all the shots they receive, so i am not sure if Mrs McGregor-Smith is short on time and has nothing better to do then make ridicules accusations, but i would encourage her to spend her time focusing more on happier things then always trying to belittle and run other farmers down. Its is one thing to debate an issue and have differing views i encourage and welcome sound debate but i have zero time for running other individual farmers down for their choices. I can hate their production methods but that doesn't mean I hate the individual, there is a huge difference.

She is bitter because I am not a supporter of supply management and since she is a quota owner she is always trying to defend her self in the alternative farm community for buying into the industrial food system.
But trying to smear others will not change her situation one ounce... Come on Cathy rise above these foolish comments and be honest and forthright with others....
I am sorry if you don't think farmers should be at least able to make min wage to qualify for farm programs, i see agriculture as a career not as a hobby that should be prompt up by tax payer dollars, this is why i did state in my previous post that i would be 100% in support of a 3 year period to allow younger or new farmers to build up to the increased amount. I also mention that the exemption needs to be based off some formula rather then some artificial amount of $7,500 how was this number arrived at ? and why has it never changed for years even tho inflation causes prices to rise every year ?

Cathy let's hear some logical arguments from you that are based on sound knowledge not on foolish immature smears .... Lets move agriculture forward by good debate and forward thinking....

Sean McGivern

Sounds like she had some valued points !

If the $7500 was raised to say $22,000 then this would eliminate thousands of people that own a place in the Country and don't really farm. They pretend to farm for lower taxes and to cash in on the multitude of incentive and subsidies available to real farmers.
Real farmers don't want this extremely low limit of $7500 raised because it will eliminate the thousands of people that use farms as a tax loss and thus lower the average farm income.
A rise in statistical farm income could lead to less taxpayer funded programs for already rich farmers.

The farm tax rebate eligibility # of $7500.00 dollars will not like be changed any time soon . It would eliminate too many general farm organization members . Hence lower their incomes unless they can keep those people buying affiliate memberships for those chasing tsc discount days and such .

As for Sean and PFO they are at liberty to say what they want as they are not an accredited farm org relying on income from members who get the farm tax rate through their FBR registration . For that I will give PFO credit !

Most people that know me think I am a happy supportive person. Over the last 35 years of full time organic farming we have help so many other farmers and gardeners and food banks and community gardens etc.....that makes me happy.
Our farm business has employed many people over the years, they think we are happy people to work for. It makes me happy to have built a financially sustainable farm business and to work side by side with my husband everyday.
I will free myself from this forum and it's negativity and continue on with my happy life.
Cathy McS

Very wise. A lot more people are ignoring the bitter band of 4.

Your comments are just so sad, Mr. McGivern.

I met Cathy and her family decades ago. Her mother was a very gracious hard working person that gave far more to the community than she ever received, as did other members in the family.

Cathy is cut from the same cloth. I do not know her as "angry and confrontational" nor "bitter".

Personal attacks, such as the one above, just undermine and divide the farming community.

If you understood agriculture, you would know that it is not a career. That is your first mistake. How can you move forward if you don't know what agriculture in Ontario truly is?

joann vergeer

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Qualifying as a farmer, is an incorrect terminology.

To qualify for a farm business tax classification, there are certain criteria that should be met. I understand that exemptions are made if some farm businesses cannot meet the criteria. Call OMAF and they will walk you through it. They are extremely helpful in this regard.

There is no tax rebate.

The municipal tax rate is based on the residential rate and other classifications are based on the res rate. Farm business classification is set at 25% of the res rate in most of Ontario at this time.

Remember that when you pay municipal taxes you are actually subsidizing a corporation. Municipalities are creatures of the province.

if you are not on omaf program yes it's a program then you farm for yourself and apply to your municipality for a rebate up to 100% if you don't receive services. it's a secret that i will be letting out as a reporter for yourmunicipality.ca see section 21 (1) of the assessment act . my municipality piss me off and i started to read the act enjoy. Norm Boisvert

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