Ontario’s PCs eye off-road tire recycling fees

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The Liberals keep saying how important agriculture is to this province. Must be a new way to mend the rift between the rural/urban divide and an interesting way to show your appreciation for agriculture Minister/Premier Wynne.
Even Newstalk 1010 from downtown Toronto was talking about this issue last night - and how ridiculous it is. It must be REALLY out there to grab the attention of TO radio show hosts away from Rob Ford's alleged drinking problem.

Wynns performance is being judged weekly. ('weakly' open to interpretation)

Nobody in the farm community batted an eye when the price of tires increased dramatically a few years ago - suck it in, people, if you're prepared to pay more to buy these tires in the first place, "kwitcher bitchin" about what it costs to get rid of them. Furthermore, if you're going to the bank with money earned from the legislated largesse of ethanol and/or supply management, you have no right to complain when government requires you to give some of it back. I'm with the government on this one.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

Talk about bitchin how do you know it,s sm and ethanol farmers doing the bitchin. They say it,s everyone paying not just 2 group of farmers unless they are the only ones which can afford to own machinery. I think it must be time to give the bashing of the 2 group of farmers a rest and come up with and idea that would help everyone in Canada and not just farmers to keep the work here.
I like to read the ideas which some people write or complain about , but its really get boring hearing
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When the marketplace drives up the price of new tires, nobody complains, yet when the government changes the disposal fees by only a fraction of the price increase nobody complained about in the first place, it's an example of the sort of selective complaining farmers are famous for doing. Why would anyone complain about paying an extra $400 to get rid of a tire which went up by $1,000 in price in the last two years without any complaining at all? Furthermore, why would supply managed farmers complain at all? - this fee just gets added to their cost of production and then gets foisted off onto poor consumers. This is one time when farmers are wrong, and government is right.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

This time you are completely wrong Stephen . OTS is not run by the Gov. . it is a private company . It is not an arm of the Gov.

Funny how other provinces can dispose of the same tires so much cheaper . Sort of sounds like Greed Energy . Produce it in Ontario and it must be premium priced and then sell it at a loss . Why do that when you could by hydro from Quebec for less . Much less !

It all has to do with the comparing the price increase of the tires themselves to the cost of getting rid of them - everybody should have been in the same tizzy when the price went up in the first place, but there was nary a peep. Methinks the farm community is gullible to the influence of the full moon. Let's protest something which really does matter instead, like cutting the AgriStability benefits to 70%, or the insistence on keeping the linkage between RMP and AgriStability.
Or to look at it another way, if you can't afford to pay $400 once in a blue moon, to get rid of a tire on a $400,000 combine, you can't afford the combine in the first place - that's reality, and that's what I'd come back with, if I was in government.

Stephen Thompson, Clinton ON

I would have thought an economist might look at the bigger picture... the follow the money insight. When some green environmentalist initiated the fee for grocery bags to save the landfill the fee charged was to be given to charity. Some more insightful person asked the presidents choice chain I believe to show the receipt of the charitable donation. Long and short of it was there was no donation and no receipt.The fee was dropped in the GTA and most often when I cross into the next municipality that is not in the GTA and they want to charge the fee ... Just for fun I ask for the receipt. Result no charge. Maybe we need to follow the money here.. . we might be shocked to see what the morals of the environmental fee collectors are.

I hate to say it but I think you're wrong. Everyone should be bitching! The reason nobody "batted an eye" was because the price didn't quadruple in price. This new policy is going to run people into the ground, because nobody is going to buy tires in Ontario anymore, when they can go to the states or quebec and save $250 a tire because they don't have to pay this ridiculous fee. This is going to cause a huge stink with the people who sell tires, as well as the farmers who don't have close access to these options. And custom workers are going to lose their minds, especially considering how many tires on their equipment they have. It's not like the float them around, they run the roads all the time and tires wear quick enough and they have to change a set a lot quicker then the average farmer, trust me I know, I do custom work for a living. And that will piss of the rest of the farmers who aren't already pissed off cause their bills will be more cause the operator is going to have to pay this new fee, and he's going to have to charge more. All in all its just a terrible idea, and hopefully people keep bitching so that this new fee is gone.

Hunch your back there's a twister coming ! And no lube !
So the price of every thing will go up and yet the farmer will have to suck it up with no way of recovery and put at a bigger price disadvantage to other provinces and the US of A . Truckers will increase their rates , farm suppliers will up rates for custom fertilizer app rates . Here we go again sucking the hind tit !

The consumer will pay for this in the end anyways. Has anyone noticed for example, the price of a loaf of bread lately.

What we all need to do is show that this is unacceptable! We should dump them off on the steps of parliament. If there is no adjustment to a reasonable fee I will burn my old tires at night on the back 40 and take a wizz in the direction of parliament!

It is paid when you buy, not when you dispose of. Unless you buy outside the province

Grant Crack
MPP, Glengarry-Prescott-Russell

Dear Mr. Crack,
As member of the OFA , I just read the OFA notice of the new fees relating to FARM tire recycling.
Escalating these fees by over 400% makes no sense in this economy nor would it be acceptable
in any business practice. The recycling of tires is a business like any other and the companies
doing the recycling are supposed to be profitable businesses like any businesses that continues to operate.
The larger farm tires are more efficient to recycle because of the amount of rubber in one tire.(less handling)
As an independent business owner we do not get to defray our costs by crying to the government
because we do not run our business properly (Hydro-One is a classic example).
If the Ontario Stewartship Council cannot be self-perpetuating then LET IT DIE.
Do not think that because the Farmers are doing somewhat better in the last 3-4 years that they
have not struggled over the previous 50-60 years. There is something very wrong with the attitude
of the government when they think that they can just suck even more money out of the people
who really support this province through their taxes.
Let’s do something constructive for a change!
Your immediate reply would be most appreciated and please consider copying your reply to OFA.

George D. Henderson

Chute à Blondeau,

"the organization(OTS) has run annual deficits of about 8 million since 2009 when the program was created by the liberals". Sounds like this claimed private business was already in trouble prior to this program. To top it off, they are supposedly overseen by a government agency, Waste Diversion Ontario. I would say this problem should have been addressed in 2009, instead of now after accumulating interest on 8 million, hence the need for very high recovery fees. A full blown audit for OTS would be in order also. I would like to see the wages of some of the top employees at OTS if the government is going to grant them the ability to set their prices for a "cost recovery model".

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