Report proposes tighter controls on fertilizer applications

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Seems to me that the raw sewage dumped into the great lakes by cities with inadequate water treatment facilities would have a far greater impact on the lake than "phosphorous based lawn fertilizers". Let's address a large infrastructure problem instead of sweeping it under the rug. I know it's not fun or sexy to place the blame in our own back yards (or bathrooms) but there's a heck of a lot of people producing something that makes big problems down the line. It's a high cost game and there's not really any money to be made on it, just sunk into new equipment, but it needs to be done and soon or we face much bigger problems.

Yup. The algae bloom is located on the westerly end of Lake Erie. Guess who has a sewage treatment problem?

Detroit.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/08/29/detroit-dumping-millions-of-tonn...

I did not even read the artcle in the Windsor Star . But looks like the blame game . Windsor had 28 bypasses and 2 spills so they need not be looking across the river . They need to fix their own first .

Ag needs to do the same . I don't believe any farmer would deliberately do some thing to pollute the water . We need to make sure our BMP's are working and more so that they are being followed other wise more paper work will be coming to a farm near you .

It is about blaming. But the real problem is that no one believes anything the government says anymore.

Its easy to blame farmers and subject them to more rigorous rules and legislation. Farmers have no valid representation.

This is just another step to disenfranchise farmers with total disenfranchisement as the end game.

How do propose we get better farm representation ?
I am not sure that it is just a farm issue but more like a rural issue .
Would starting a rural Ont political party be the answer ?

We have 3 and maybe 4 farm lobby groups that can't agree and some that want too end supply management , grain farmers wanting more bio fuel mandates, livestock guys wanting reasonable feed costs,ect. so if I was a politician I would be pretty confused about the messages sent by farmers . Going forward it will be hard too argue for subsidies when farmers are paying $10-20,000 acre for land and rents in the $300+ range ,$60,000 pick ups and so on getting free gov't funds like Agri-invest when workers are trying too buy there family food. Mr. Taxpayer

Farmers just want their share, no more no less, if the Government can dole out Millions for Toronto's new subway or K-W's light-rail transit then Agriculture should receive their share as well.We can't just be a dumping ground for their bio-solids waste and Wind Turbines.

Yes Equity With US Farmers !
Don't for get that many who make the decisions sit in an ivory tower some where in down town T.O. and have no clue and some even have an agenda laid out in front of them that they are to follow or else .

It seems to many that if they can get rid of agriculture and just have rural as park land and do as they want for their friends with greed energy , push all the people to the cities , all their problems will disappear . Well it still will not help water quality when our cities use the worlds largest fresh water resource as a waste dumping pit . Then we have groups who want to see carbon credits . All that does is give the rich companies who have the money a way to continue polluting and never fix the problem . That makes about as much sense as dillution is the solution . Oh but wait farmers will get paid for these carbon credits . So the money will make it O.K. and make the problem go away . Give me a break !!

We as farmers do have a choice about bio solids and turbines

I don't think for a minute that farmers have to live like peasants and feel guilty while the rest of society lives like kings . Around me it is not the farmers who are driving the price of land but people who own other companies . They are paying the big bucks . Don't forget that land rents are subject to change . I don't see many working stiffs who very often take a wage cut . I see lots of working stiffs with $60,000 pick ups and SUV's , travel trailers , snow mobiles , fancy houses . Farming today is not the way it was back on Green Acres or Old MacDonalds farm .

Its not just a rural issue nor an agricultural issue.

It is a societal issue.

But farmers are an easy target because we don't have any valid representation.

We need to take a good hard look at our ag. ministry and start asking some good hard questions. First and foremost we need to demand proper ministerial representation.

Preferable a ministry that has at least a small degree of farming knowledge and one that will LISTEN and ACKNOWLEDGE farmers.

Starting a rural political party would just reward the current political party as it becomes a vehicle for vote splitting.

How do we fix the problem ?
You have addressed what to you is the issue and the fact of not having valid representation . I appreciate what you are saying but the question is now how do we fix it ? What do we need to change to get the representation we need to get society to appreciate and understand what we do and need ? To just say it is an issue is just the first step . Many who represent us do not see it as an issue . they are head down and working at what they think is needed or wanted and many times with out member consultation . Could many times be with gov consultation and private meetings .

Is it the fact that our representatives are not listening to us ? Are they too close to the Gov. or do they really not know what farmers want ?
Do farmers express , ask or demand changes ? What group specifically are you thinking are not representing us ?

Here is what I see as the way things work . Commoditty groups represent specific things that pertain to their specific member needs . General farm groups represent things on a broad scale for agriculture . Many times the two groups cross over and get messages going to gov that are not the same . Many times members don't know who to talk to and get an "it does not make any difference attitude " because no one listens . Well then you must look at how to change those things . It is the leader , the exec , the board or the staff who are not doing things right ? To me the buck stops with the board of directors . If you want change then you have to change your representatives .

I think I know what you are saying but until you spell it out , it will just be a guess .

You said "General farm groups represent things on a broad scale for agriculture."

General Farm groups DO NOT represent agriculture in a broad scale. GFO represent "farm businesses".

Look it up yourself. The GFO's get their stable funding through the "Farm Business Registration" legislation. GFO's only can speak for "farm businesses". That means GFO's cannot speak for all farmland.

I would guess there are thousands of farmland owners that do not carry on "farm businesses". These farmland owners are not allowed to register for FBR under current legislation.

That means thousands of farmland owners have no say yet GFO's make recommendations concerning ALL farmland.

GFO's do not have the legislative right to speak on matters that are not "farm business" oriented. Species at risk, farm lot development, tree cutting, solar energy, hunting, sports and leisure, etc comes to mind

GFO's under current legislation are not valid representations for ALL farmland in Ontario.

OMAF currently is the closest form of representation for ALL farmland but that ministry is MIA.

Would agree with the comments re a load of crap
BETTER check out the who is using a bypass means of getting rid of sewage in the area
Not thinking its fertilizer on the lawns more like what's the result of a flush job !
IF we are going to make and enforce rules lets apply them to all of society
Sorry folks I pay for fert to grow crops not flush $ down the Drain
Can the same be said for those with sewage plants with a problem of not able to handle a large flow of crap
Get the system working ASAP
So dilution is the solution AS no one wants sewage backing up in some ones basement and face the rath of a unhappy tax payer
OH Sh@T as a farmer I pay taxes as well so just might as well raise a little crap as well
Do people want to eat local food or import all that cheap stuff that has the crap from others used as a source of nutrients and water ?
Just keep on picking on Ag
Make more rules
Ignore that all of society as a whole is a big part of the problem
Who r u going to blame after the rules make Agriculture leave Ontario ?
L. L.

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